In this episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation.
The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems.
Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around “stability,” international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a “third line” independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Show Intro And Links
00:41 Meet Kandake
01:34 Episode Setup Third Line
02:42 Sudan War Overview
04:17 Darfur Roots And RSF
06:02 Chaos Economy And Genocide
07:47 Modern State And Colonialism
11:02 Authoritarianism And Spirituality
15:10 Children Violence And Identity
19:11 Pluralism Against Centralization
22:45 Movement Status And Support
24:06 Anarchist Vision Third Line
26:58 Closing Call For Coalition
You can hear this episode on YouTube, or listen and read the transcript on the Dugout’s Substack.
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